[Janis]

I don't know if this has ever been discussed here--so my apologies if it has.

How many of us think that Lucius is the owner of the Riddle House? I believe that he is--after all, he has a lot of money and the Riddle House is owned by an unnamed wealthy person. One of Lucius' greatest services to The Dark Lord seems to be in connection with the money he is able to provide-and I'm sure that would include purchasing the home of Riddle's dead father.

[Potions Geek]

Ah, Lucius. i am surprised to find that my hate for him has ebbed somewhat. i am pretty sure (about 80 %) that this is due to fandom, though i have not been an avid reader of lucius fanfiction.

do you think he will ever redeem himself? for some strange reason, i hope not. Lucius is one of those characters that are better off on the Dark Side. he seems to be very resentful to everyone,and if he were to show any good in him, it would be grudgingly and a bit forced.

and JASON ISSACS. he is just scrumptious. i didnt have a set-in-stone vision of Lucius before the movies came out, and he filled in the gaps in my magination with amazing ease. i love his slow sort of speech, the way he draws out his words. ^^

[Alison]

Janis, on Apr 15 2007, 05:36 PM, said:

I don't know if this has ever been discussed here--so my apologies if it has.

How many of us think that Lucius is the owner of the Riddle House? I believe that he is--after all, he has a lot of money and the Riddle House is owned by an unnamed wealthy person. One of Lucius' greatest services to The Dark Lord seems to be in connection with the money he is able to provide-and I'm sure that would include purchasing the home of Riddle's dead father.

I believe Tom Riddle would have inherited the house legally. His muggle birth certificate would be a good start to making a claim to his inheritance, at least when he came of age.
Alison

[ProfessorWannaBe]

I don't know about Britain but in the States a person can be declared legally dead if they are missing for more than seven years (you may have to prove that you have searched diligently for them). If there is something similar, Tom Riddle's property may have been distributed and it is not terribly far-fetched that Lucius may have inherited.

What's a bit more problematic with the idea is whether Tom would have gotten the house in the first place. The elder Riddle would likely have had a will that designated what should happen to his property. He either didn't know he had a son or was purposely ignoring the fact and may have left the future DL out of it.

Then, again, his parents were still living so he may have been lazy about the terms. I'm not sure what happens when someone dies without a will even in the states but I rather doubt it would be left untouched for several decades if it didn't belong to someone.

[Rella]

There is the little matter of Riddle's murdered parents ... Didn't Morfin do time in Azkaban for this? In which case, if Aurors were involved, it may not even have come to the notice of the Muggle Authorities. (Presumably the Aurors wouldn't have a direct interest in the future of the Muggle property.)

Tom Riddle wasn't exactly missing ... Who knew he existed? If it were demonstrated that he was who he was, he would have been entitled to inherit in default of other claimants, but I imagine the house did indeed just sort of sit there, especially with its history, until LV decided he wanted it back. And after all, somewhere hovering in the background was none other than Albus Dumbledore, who, at least initially, seemed to take a benign interest in the Dark Lord-To-Be.

I can't see how Lucius has a claim there at all ... It's Muggleland, and he's a pure-blood.

[ProfessorWannaBe]

I meant that Tom Riddle Jr. (tDL-to-be) might have inherited the place after killing his father and grandparents. When he went missing, he might have been declared dead to invoke his will. Surely there are taxes on the place that someone's got to pay or the State would have taken it over. They obviously hadn't, so someone must be holding the title (and paying the taxes). That last bit does suggest Lucius.

[Rella]

But ... but ... The DL is the DL! Surely he doesn't pay taxes. Taxes?? Lucius, paying taxes? To the Muggle government? For a Muggle property? In between a spot of Muggle torture?

I wonder if Snape pays taxes on Spinner's End.

[ProfessorWannaBe]

Maybe they don't actually pay them, just make the Muggles think that they do.

[Janis]

The Riddle House is a Muggle house. It was owned by a Muggle family--and Tom Marvolo Riddle's claim on it as an adult might have been hard to prove.

When Tom Marvolo Riddle killed his father, he also killed his grandparents. Tom Riddle did not own the house prior to his death because the inheritance can't pass to someone if the death takes place at the same time. There was no one to pass the house on to--with the exception of LV, the murderer, but apparently no one knew of the relationship.

If there was a Riddle relative that the house had gone to, that person could have sold the house to Lucius Malfoy. On the other hand, if the house went to the government because there was no family to claim it, then the government could have sold it to Lucius. Since it was a Muggle House, someone had to pay the taxes and the deed had to be registered with the local government. Yet, there is no mention in the books that the House was owned by a relative. Instead, it's owned by a "wealthy" person.

Morfin? He was a Gaunt, not a Riddle, so he wouldn't have inherited the house. Lucius wouldn't have inherited it, but he could have purchased it from whomever got title to the house later.

I keeep thinking that at some point Lucius--or perhaps Abraxas--purchased the House and that Lucius kept it for LV.

[Alison]

I've been seeing posters everywhere advertising the Next Movie and one of the scenes is Lucius Malfoy with all his gorgeous silver hair. It got me wondering if perhaps Lucius has some Veela in his ancestry, rather like Fleur. The character also seems to exude the same sort of hauteur that Fleur has. Perhaps there's a great grandmother somewhere who is not the traditional witch? Probably he'd keep it quiet, as then even the Malfoys wouldn't be as Pureblood as they like to present to the world.

Alison

[ProfessorWannaBe]

Good question, Alison! Sadly, 'the world may never know'. There's a drabble challenge open to write Snape's entry in JKR's potential encyclopedia. Perhaps, we need one for Lucius' entry too.

I came to this thread today to be sure that the FoL's (friends of Lucius) all knew about his shenanigans at BewitchedMind during the August upgrade.

[Miss Otis]

Good morning, Ladies!


Last evening, I was wandering on You Tube. I was seeking to find a song: SHAME ON THE MOON. I'm not very computer literate. Anyway up came a video entitled, IN CAPS--I don't know if that's critical and vital--words in caps.

SEE ME: BEAUTIFUL LUCIUS

The video is stunningly beautiful. It will take your breath away.

Also, for those of you who love the ACTOR portraying Lucius Malfoy, there is--right on the same page--a video that is Jason in another role:

THE STATE WITHIN: SHAME ON THE MOON

I don't know if this is a movie or a television series probably being watched by all of you, but, just in case. He plays a Sir Mark Brydon, British Ambassador to the USA during a time of crisis.

I do hope you enjoy yourselves immensely.

Miss Otis

[Rella]

As we know, JI has done wonderful things for Lucius. He was cool before, and Isaacs really saw this man's potential. He's very funny about him. This has inspired Laerry to convert one of his autographs into a Lucious T-shirt (below. This in turn inspired a whole series. You may as well have Draco's and Snape's for good measure ...)

[Cathy]

Must admit.. he's one of my favorite characters, Lucius I mean.
It just might be because of Jason Isaacs.. I did not really like Malfoy that much in the books, but when I saw the second HP movie (Chamber of Secrets) I was lost LOL

[ProfessorWannaBe]

Forbes.com released a new list of the 15 Richest Fictional Characters this past spring. For the second year - after three years in the bottom third - Lucius has been left off. I suppose the combination of the market crash in 2008 and the mounting legal fees (imprisonment?) was enough to knock him off and keep him off. I think you might enjoy the 2007 bio in any case.